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  • Nottingham Evening Post, 2 July 1915.
Person Details
01 Mar 1865
Nottingham
Some records give his name as John Hadyn. John was the son of John Haydn Redgate and Mary Ann Redgate nee Broadhurst. Both John and Mary were born in Nottingham, John in 1840 (J/A/S Radford) and Mary in Sneinton in about 1841. They were married in 1862 (J/F/M Nottingham) and at the time of the 1911 Census had had five children of whom only four survived. Four children were recorded on the census returns between 1871 and 1911: George b. abt 1863, John b. 23 February 1865, Phoebe Maud b. 1869 (J/A/S Nottingham) and Alfred [Alfred Charles] b. 15 July 1877 (J/A/S Nottingham). In 1871 John (30), a house painter, and his wife Mary Ann (29), a lace mender, were living at 9 Lowes Yard, Leen Side, Nottingham, with their three children George (8), John (7) and Phoebe (1). Their son Alfred was born six years later in 1877. The family was still living at 9 Lowes Yard in 1881 but by 1891 they had moved to 43 Leenside, Nottingham. John (50) was still working as a [house] painter and his son John (27) was also a painter and Alfred (13) a painter's apprentice. It is likely that John senior, who on a later census was described as an employer, worked on his own account and employed his two sons. His wife Mary (49) and daughter Phoebe (21) were both working as machinists. The eldest son, George, has not yet been traced after the 1881 Census although some records link him to William George Surplice Redgate. However, his brother Alfred is listed on the 1939 Register when Alfred (77) and his wife Agnes (75) were still living at 28 Mayfield Grove, Nottingham. In the house at the time of the survey were Jack Redfern (17, b. 3 December 1917), a butcher's shop assistant, and a George Redgate (single) 'not previously employed', whose age and date of birth are unclear. Phoebe married Albert Edward Palmer in 1894 (J/F/M Nottingham) and they had two sons; Albert W and John A. However, by 1901 Phoene and her sons were living with Phoebe's parents, John and Mary Redgate, at 3 Lowes Yard, Leen Side, Nottingham. Phoebe was recorded on the next census in 1911 as married but head of household and was living at 10 Burnaby Terrace, Kinglake Street, Meadows. She was working as a lace machinist. Both her sons were still living at home; Albert (16), a picture framer, and John (14) who was an office boy. Alfred married Agnes Barton in 1899 (J/F/M Nottingham) and they were to have at least six children: Alfred Haydn, Agnes Lilian, Phoebe Lois, Edith, Mary and Ethel. In 1901 Alfred (23) and Agnes (25) were living at 9 Castle Street, Nottingham with their two children, Alfred (2) and Lilian (3 months). By 1911 they had moved to 28 Mayfield Grove, Mapperley, Nottingham, and now had six children: Alfred (11), Agnes (10), Phoebe (7), Edith (5), Mary (2) and Ethel (10 months). Their son Alfred Haydn was to serve in the 7th Bn Norfolk Regiment (41630 Private) and was killed in action on 11 October 1918 (La Kreule Military Cemetery, Hazebrouck). John and Mary were back living at 3 Lowes Yard, Leen Side, by 1901. As well as their married daughter Phoebe and her two sons, their son John was also in the household; he too was married although the record of his marriage has not yet been traced. John is recorded on CWGC as serving with the Sherwood Foresters in India in 1888 and also in the South African War, but he was in the UK at the time of all the census, although on the 1901 Census, at the time of the South African War, his occupation was given as soldier. John was still living with his parents at 3 Lowes Place (sic) in 1911 although he was now working as a car cleaner (electric tram cars) with Nottingham Corporation Trams. His status was still given as 'married.' His home was still at the same address at the time of his death in 1915. John Haydn senior died in 1923 (June Nottingham) aged 83 and Mary Ann in 1925 (March Nottingham) aged 84. Phoebe Palmer died in 1961 (June Nottingham) aged 91 and her youngest brother Alfred in 1951 (March Nottingham) aged 73.
In 1911 he was a tram cleaner for Nottingham Corporation Trams
08 May 1915
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CH/141/S
Private
Chatham Bn Royal Marine Light Infantry
Formerly Private, Notts & Derby Regiment. He served in India in 1888 and was awarded the India General Service Medal (Sikkim 1888). He also served in South African War. There is a record of John in the Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioners Admissions and Discharges register. He was admitted/examined on 27 September 1906, age given as 41, and discharged on 4 October 1906 (9915 Private, Notts and Derby Regiment, Depot and RI Garrison). He enlisted on 3 September 1914 and was transferred to the RMLI (Chatham Bn) on a short-service engagement on 16 September 1914. He served with the Mediterranean Expeditionary Force from 6 February 1915 until his death on 8 May the same year. He has no known grave and is commemorated on the Helles Memorial. It seems likely Redgate became one of 'Kitchener's Marines' who were transferred from the Sherwood Foresters to the RMLI. Des Turner notes '600 RMLI transfers came from two regiments - 200 from the King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry (KOYLI) and 400 from the Sherwood Foresters. They were predominantly ex-miners and labourers, fit men wanted for their ability to dig trenches and tunnels. The 200 KOYLI recruits were transferred to Plymouth Division RMLI and were given service numbers PLY/1(S) to PLY200(S). This was also the case for the Sherwood Foresters 200 who were dispatched to Portsmouth where already 30 men were recruited and so they became PO/31(S) to PO/230(S). 200 remaining Foresters went to Chatham and were numbered CH/1 to CH/200(S).'
CWGC record incorrectly gives his age as 52. Nottingham Evening Post, 'Roll of Honour', 2 July 1915 (abridged): 'Pte J Redgate RMLI (late of 146th) 3 Lowe’s Place, Leen Side North, killed in action.' Nottingham Evening Post, 'Roll of Honour', 15 June 1915 (abridged): 'Redgate killed in action, Pte J Redgate RMLI (late of 4th/45th) aged 50 years.' The photograph of John Redgate was published in the Nottingham Evening Post on 2 July 1915 and this and the photographs of the Helles Memorial and the inscription to John Redgate is courtesy of Jim Grundy and his facebook pages Small Town Great War Hucknall 1914-1918.
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  • Nottingham Evening Post, 2 July 1915.
    John Redgate - Nottingham Evening Post, 2 July 1915.
  • Helles Memorial (CWGC)
    John Redgate - Helles Memorial (CWGC)
  • Helles Memorial
    John Redgate - Helles Memorial